The late evangelist Billy Graham, known as America’s pastor, was as world famous as the presidents who sought face time with him. But after a friendship with Richard Nixon affected that image, Graham backed away from the political spotlight. His son has chosen a different path. Mary C. Curtis speaks with the Rev. Franklin Graham.

Show Notes:

• Breaking the ‘pale and male’ barrier
• Majority Whip James E. Clyburn: “The pursuit of a more perfect union”
• In North Carolina, red and blue don’t make purple
• ‘Republicans often racialize poverty. Democrats often run from poverty’
• Joe Biden, Clarence Thomas and Amy Coney Barrett with Angela Wright